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Seafront. Future Grid Lock....
Apr 11th, 2010 at 12:14pm
 
I travelled along the sea front this morning, Sunday, at about 10 AM, a route I always use in preference to London Road, all stop start for whole length or A127 via Priory Crescent, no need to explain why I avoid that route. I have always found that other than the really busy couple of weeks in the summer or sunny summer weekends that the seafront route East to West and back to be pleasant and generally smooth flowing.

I initially thought the new schemes for the Eastern / Western Esplanade's would improve the now quite dated areas of front. My initial impressions regarding pedestrians was positive, but having travelled that route today now much of the temporary road works have gone, leaving what is in effect the finished road layout makes me wonder what planet the planners are on?

Western Esplanade: Now reduced to single lane traffic to accommodate anew cycle way. Great, unless you wish to drive a car along the remaining single lane road. There is still parking at kerbside to the Casino and also the centre reservation id still double width parking. As half the people using that route are looking to park it means that they creep along looking for the non existent bays (when it's a nice day) and when they find them spend a couple of minutes trying to park in them. During this time all the cars behind have to just sit and wait caused a massive jam. Before you just moved to the other lane and carried on while the parkers took up one lane....madness. When the summer kicks in I think you have just got to forget about moving from East to West and back across our town.

If any of the planning committee who worked this out are reading this (which I doubt very much) you are all pillocks.

NigelT  Angry

PS. I actually quite like the new Palm trees.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 1:09pm
 
Agreed! Anyone who has driven along the stretch of road from the speed camera just before the Westcliff Casino up the arches cafes or vice versa knows that at many weekends and in the summer the traffic hardly moves because of parking spot hunters. Making the road even narrower to seperate off the cycleway from the road is going to make matters even worse. What really gets me is that many cyclists will not use the new cycle way anyway, if Eastern Esplanade is anything to go by, thus compounding the problem.

Calling the planners "pillocks" is the only thing I cannot agree with you over; that is far too polite!

Another Meldrew moment over!  Angry
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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 3:07pm
 
Hahaha! yep too polite, like it.

   I don't drive, but have travelled the road many times either in a friend/family vechile or by bike.

  Your both so right, it will be a giant car park come the summer months, infact allready with the nice weather its allready slowing up.

  I still think the idea I came up with 3 years ago was a good one. though someone else has nicked half of it. I proposed back then that where the cliffs had slipped the area was dug out and shored up properly with a decent building containg various leisure facilities, with incorporated within a decent sized multi storey car park. The roof area could of been made into a nice garden area, with the rain water being used to part sustain the toilet needs of the facilities. Along the top looking out to the estuary the area could of also had a decent amount of solar panels to help with the electric usage too. It could of also been done so that the entrance and exits were top and bottom so to create a flow rather than a build up of traffic. Yes it would of cost a packet to build, but cars paying £5 a day or more would of paid for it in just a few years. The area is big enough and done sympathetically within the cliffs would of solved both problems and created a nice place to visit.
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Reply #3 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 6:05pm
 
That cycle lane is causing controversy.

Story now on Longpier.com:
http://longpier.blogspot.com/2010/04/news-your-thoughts-on-southends-new.html

Do leave your thoughts here or on Longpier
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Reply #4 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 7:02pm
 
The video on longpier shows just how bad the cycleway design is, so everyone loses, the cyclist using it, the cyclists who will stick to the road, and the motorist whose speed will reduced to a crawl at best for much of the summer as a result. Southend Council at its best yet again!

I wish the planners would just admit they won't be happy until all motor vehicles are required to have someone walk in front with a red flag when moving within the town.

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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 9:22am
 
Come on now Scaly, at times I dream of travelling at the pace of a man walking along with a flag.
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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 9:41am
 
When I first started this post it was from the perspective of a motorist and a motorist that uses (used) the seafront as his main route out of town. With that in mind I posted my 'Pillock's' comment. Since that first post I have looked deeper into the whole scheme which includes the cycle lanes etc. and have changed my opinion regarding the planning and design of the scheme, so would like to also change my opinion of those who were responsible for its inception.

My original opinion was "If any of the planning committee who worked this out are reading this (which I doubt very much) you are all pillocks"

My opinion now is, If any of the planning committee who worked this out are reading this (which I doubt very much) you are all complete pillocks. Completely devoid of any basic common sense or grounding in the real world. A bunch of morons who are so far removed from the real Southend and its residence, so wrapped up in their own self importance that they make these ludicrous plans and decisions based on their self inflated egos and the fact that they are given a nice big slab of money that they are oh! so eager to spend regardless of the long term effect it has on the town and the people who live in it.......which obviously doesn't include people who live in Barling. When will they ever start to listen to the residence of this town? (no need to answer this one).

Sorry about that, I would have like to have used stronger language but this is after all a public forum.  Angry
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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 10:01am
 
Oh come on Nigel, it's not like you to mince your words! Spoken with sincerity & passion; well said Sir!

It has always amazed & disturbed me that any public or quasi public body will go to any lengths to spend a budget before the year end , even if they have nothing to spend it on.

I always remember a few years ago the body responsible for maintaining TA Centres found they had underspent a budget one year and rather than lose it (as they feared it would be reduced the following year) they spent a fortune carpeting a drill hall, including the parade hall itself, which was even occasionally used to park vehicles.
The mentality of these people!
It is also a very defective system which 'forces' them to waste public money in that way.
Sadly I fear this latest fiasco is more of the same...
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 11:58am
 
Unfortunately I really do believe that 'they' don't think they are wasting the money and don't seem to be able to make the connection that the money coming from central government is 'Our' money. They probably think there is a money orchard somewhere up Westminster way and a man gets sent out with his little (actually very large) basket and just picks some as needed. Well there is a money orchard, it's called Taxation and the man with the basket is called HM Customs & Revenue.
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Reply #9 - Apr 16th, 2010 at 1:22am
 
The problem always comes from above though. If you don't spend your money, you'll get even less next year...  Angry
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Reply #10 - Apr 16th, 2010 at 9:30am
 
JW wrote on Apr 16th, 2010 at 1:22am:
The problem always comes from above though. If you don't spend your money, you'll get even less next year...  Angry


I suppose that's what will always happen when everything is run by accountants and bean-counters! With apologies to any of that ilk amongst us

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Reply #11 - Apr 16th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 
scalyback wrote on Apr 16th, 2010 at 9:30am:
I suppose that's what will always happen when everything is run by accountants and bean-counters! With apologies to any of that ilk amongst us



In fairness, it's not even the accountants and bean counters - they are just accounting in the manner they are instructed. It's higher up the chain than that.
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Reply #12 - Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:48pm
 
I think we are all being very unfair to our beloved councillors and planners Shocked
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Reply #13 - Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:53pm
 
NigelT wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:48pm:
I think we are all being very unfair to our beloved councillors and planners Shocked


And when I snap my fingers you will wake up. Cool
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Reply #14 - Apr 18th, 2010 at 1:43pm
 
scalyback wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
And when I snap my fingers you will wake up. Cool


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